The whole sorry Westminster saga

Best way to put this is via a series of tweets:

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12 comments for “The whole sorry Westminster saga

  1. DICK R
    December 14, 2017 at 8:36 am

    The only hope now is another election ,even if it means risking Corbyn’s communists winning , government by one gang of EUSSR traitors cannot be much different than by another gang of EUSSR traitors .

    • December 14, 2017 at 8:59 am

      Many friends say this and I smiled but it does seem increasingly right now.

    • John in cheshire
      December 14, 2017 at 9:31 am

      The problem is that just when you think communism can’t get any worse, it surprises us all with even lower levels of depravity. In the extreme example, the Tsarist regime might have been bad, but the communists were infinitely worse; and once they’re in, they’re hard to remove.

  2. James Strong
    December 14, 2017 at 9:45 am

    This matter is not so simple.
    The Executive has been defeated in the Legislature. I would generally regard that as a Good Thing. I am not a hard-core Libertarian, not ideologically pure, don’t know much theory and don’t care how many libertarians can dance on a closely-printed statement of the Non-Aggression Principle but I would think that most libertarians would welcome the primacy of the Legislature over the Executive.
    But the legislature has now voted in a way that many commenters on blogs I visit are opposed to.

    I think you need to get away from that position and make the point that last night’s vote was not just against the government, it was against the clearly expressed wishes of the people.

    I can imagine a number of justifications that Remainiac MPs like Umuna or Soubry might put forward, but I cannot think of an honourable reason for any MP who represents a constituency that voted Leave to do anything that might hinder Brexit.

    • December 14, 2017 at 9:49 am

      Have to head out now but will read through later.

  3. rapscallion
    December 14, 2017 at 10:54 am

    Brexit MUST happen or democracy in this country is dead for at least the next 40 years. Why bother voting at all if your vote is ignored?

  4. Mudplugger
    December 14, 2017 at 11:44 am

    At the very least, every MP whose constituents voted ‘Leave’ should be honour-bound not to inhibit the process of the necessary Brexit legislation. That means a lot of Labour MPs last night plainly demonstrated the contempt in which they hold their constituents.

    Other MPs may argue for following their personal beliefs/consciences/principles, although many Remainers would struggle to find any of those in their skill-sets.

    • Bemused
      December 14, 2017 at 3:07 pm

      Sorry, I don’t agree. It was a national referendum and every MP should honour the nations will. Otherwise why not allow regions like London and Scotland who voted to remain to opt out?

  5. Errol
    December 14, 2017 at 3:37 pm

    MPs should have voted as their constituents did. Those who did not are opposing their electorate.

    Frankly, MPs don’t care. They’re free to behave as they wish to without consequence or hinderance. We cannot stop them, remove them or change laws. We cannot remove our PM, nor set who it will be. They select the cabinet from chums and sycophants.

    We do not have a democracy. That we had to wait for Cameron to propose the referendum, and then have the oik immediately step down and leave the thing in chaos shows the crux of the problem.

    MPs and the public sector generally must start to realise our boot sits on their neck. They breathe because we allow it. Hell, look at the salaries of some councillors and ‘executives’. No one would accept that if allowed to control it.

  6. December 14, 2017 at 4:25 pm

    I think you need to get away from that position and make the point that last night’s vote was not just against the government, it was against the clearly expressed wishes of the people.

    Precisely what I was saying and there’s a post tomorrow sometime [already full] on a conversation at a bus stop in a Labour area today. Most enlightening.

    These scumbags are going down.

  7. LJ90
    December 17, 2017 at 3:55 pm

    Ah, to be pointlessly pedantic May does have a choice. She will probably choose to do precisely the opposite of what you suggest.

    Another election right now though would be very dangerous because it would let the opposition into power. The cost of them being in power moves well beyond a poor Brexit. And it doesn’t matter that their leader is actually a leaver deep down, as was his political mentor. Corbyn is a coward; he will do what his party demands without question as long as it fits with the implementation of his wider socialist project – the project that countries the world over can show is devastating for the host nation. Brexit will be abandoned so a bellicose old socialist can drag his Marx-inspired theories into power. And Corbyn will do nothing to stop McDonnell as he does so.

    A better strategy would be for May to understand that the writing is on the wall, and has been since Dimbleby said “but note they don’t yet have an overall majority” on TV. In June. There needs to be a pugnacious Tory leader, able to see off the opposition as well as dealing with the impact of the Remainers (the idea members of her own party would have come to a PM with just a sprinkling more of political nous than Mrs May.) From there, going to the country becomes an option. Right now, it really isn’t.

    • Virgilius
      December 23, 2017 at 10:07 am

      Jacob Rees-Mogg would fit the bill..

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